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Digg no longer crashes Opera Browser!!! Fix in place!

my.opera.com — The guys at Digg have rolled out their fix for Opera users to enjoy the new comment system without crashes. Turns out to be a JS Exploit in Opera (many were quick to blame Digg), Opera have fixed this also in their nightly build, but Digg's fix covers current users as well. Thanks Digg team!

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  • SiXiam, on 05/21/2008, -5/+96Yeah, I can comment without it crashing.
    Opera 9.27 WinXP
    • ch33sehead, on 05/21/2008, -0/+22If this comment works, then I can confirm that on Opera 9.26. Don't ask me why I don't want to upgrade to 9.27.
      • jp12380, on 05/21/2008, -2/+37Why don't you want to upgrade to 9.27?
        • kevdotbadger, on 05/21/2008, -2/+40CAN YOU NOT READ? HE SAID DON'T ASK.
        • zzz@tkz, on 05/21/2008, -1/+28I'm pretty curious.
        • piesforyou, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6Is it because you don't like the number 7?
        • yugiohdan6, on 05/22/2008, -0/+13maybe some people don't like the number 7... it DID eat 9 you know...
      • BlackOp, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6Why aren't you using 9.5? It's far faster.
      • Fergy, on 05/22/2008, -1/+2Because the updating procedure isn't as nice as firefox's?
        • horsepie, on 05/23/2008, -2/+0Upgrading Opera requires you to download the installation files again, save to desktop (or wherever), and essentially reinstall. It's such a hassle, especially compared to Firefox.
    • dfsjdkflasjk, on 05/21/2008, -20/+4Let this be a lesson to you: Use Firefox.
      • scy1192, on 05/21/2008, -3/+11funny thing is that when Firefox had as much market share as Opera does now, people were saying the same thing; use IE because nothing on the web works properly with Firefox
      • jessejardim, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6Let this be a lesson to you: People can use whatever browser they want and they should be able to expect sites to work with them. Thank you digg for fixing this.
    • Fr00sh, on 05/21/2008, -2/+13working on

      Version
      9.50 beta
      Build
      10005
    • yayintertubes, on 05/21/2008, -4/+19..but now it crashes firefox!... ..no wait.. that was my 207 tabs of porno
      • prophetpimp, on 05/21/2008, -5/+10Who the ***** still browses for porn? Torrent that ***** man.
        • LordVance, on 05/21/2008, -0/+12Yea but it sucks balls when you torrent a good sounding porn and get dissapointed, leaving you fapless for the evening. Instead - you can browse for some nice streaming videos and, if you don't like it, you just click the next video that looks hawt.

          Streaming Porn >>> Torrented Porn >>> Static Image Porn >>> ASCII Porn >>> Paid For Porn.
    • Unlgued, on 05/21/2008, -11/+2New interface still looks like ass thought. Is it optimized for my old blackberry or something?
    • sh4rkb1t3, on 05/21/2008, -1/+109.50 Beta FTW
    • maninalift, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9I'd like to see something else change (back?). Can anyone else confirm the following:

      I think that at least for a short time recently the comment system didn't bury replies just because a comment was buried. Am I imagining this.

      Often you get good replies to a bad comment so I'd like to see this (re)instated.
    • GeekyGerge, on 05/21/2008, -4/+21Still doesn't work for me.
      Netscape Communicator 4.79 Win95
      FIX IT NOW
      • sh4rkb1t3, on 05/21/2008, -16/+3Feel free to use your slow firefox if you want *****, but dont put people down who dont like to waste time.
        • GeekyGerge, on 05/21/2008, -1/+11A) I never put down Opera.
          B) I never praised Firefox.
          C) It was a joke.
      • whiteeagle131, on 05/21/2008, -2/+9BTW, you can still use Opera latest version on Win95 ;)
    • alfredomancho, on 05/21/2008, -5/+2test
    • brundlefly76, on 05/22/2008, -2/+2How come when the digg comment system kept crashing firefox, we had to wait 2 years for a fix, and opera users only a few days?
  • skoartrojan2, on 05/21/2008, -55/+6Opera Rocks....


    http://www.hack5.blogspot.com

    Digg looks better now...
    Hatts off to designers... of digg
    • TheSnuffster, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1You called your blog Hack 5? Really?

      Despicable.
  • seiha, on 05/21/2008, -48/+10BOUT ***** TIME
    • agentlame, on 05/22/2008, -2/+2I think you mean *****' as in "*****" without the "g."
  • joeldsouza, on 05/21/2008, -8/+25Yippee....
    finally i can comment....
    • hiPpymIck, on 05/21/2008, -1/+25well..go on then..
    • Mejogid, on 05/21/2008, -3/+18Thank god. I don't know where we'd be without your insight.
    • insanebrain, on 05/21/2008, -13/+8Yippieee. .
      We can finally bury you ;)
      • ligyron, on 05/21/2008, -2/+14Forewarning: This isn't going to work out the way you hoped
  • alpjor, on 05/21/2008, -3/+82Thanks to everyone who helped us at Digg fix this issue!
    • emehrkay, on 05/21/2008, -5/+6What exactly was the error and fix?
      • dawpa2000, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3emehrkay, read the article description.
      • yayintertubes, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6duh, the error was that it was b0rked dummy. B0RKED.

        Now it's fix0red.
        • Terr01, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6Careful, those zeroes are bigger than using a lower-case letter-o, and they might get stuck in the bends of the tubes.
    • alecks, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10Maybe now they can fix it for the iPhone. Front page looks whack...
      • joestump, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11Major enhancements are coming to the iPhone version of Digg. I have a code review scheduled to review the changes in about two hours.
        • postitnote, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4So what you mean is, we can expect it in 9 months?
  • kevdotbadger, on 05/21/2008, -3/+15Well done for making a fix in a speedy fashion.
  • someguyouknow, on 05/21/2008, -5/+14Hopefully that fixes Konqueror as well.
    • kingofpenguins, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8It does.

      Commenting from Konqueror 3.5.9 now.
  • MacTyler, on 05/21/2008, -23/+24010 people just celebrated

    (just a joke guys, take it easy)
    • DippaH, on 05/21/2008, -14/+6Make that 11!

      - i just celebrated with a can of Coke.... ;)
      • GeekyGerge, on 05/21/2008, -9/+4Do you have a link to your Twitter?
        Because I really care.
    • yayintertubes, on 05/21/2008, -11/+544 people just laughed
    • Niten, on 05/21/2008, -4/+21But why the need to express the browser's user base in binary?

      (I kid... seriously, I'm firing up Opera right now.)
    • ch33sehead, on 05/22/2008, -1/+15There's a bit of a vicious cycle here: sites aren't designed for opera because of alleged small user base; the user base responds by masking their default user agent as internet explorer to browse sites not designed for opera. The real solution is for all opera users to set the default as "Identify as Opera." Perhaps then the # of opera users would jump up dramatically.
      • phoenixp3k, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6euh... it's already set as Identify as Opera on default. In the rare cases a website just blocks Opera because it couldn't identify it as either Firefox or IE, I don't pick Identify as IE, I pick Firefox. This way at least I promote an alternative browser, thus promoting respect of standards.
      • mKdiR, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5Im not so sure...Opera works perfectly for me on every site I visit, only Digg has given me problems so far.
  • bmanam, on 05/21/2008, -27/+18Awesome. Thanks a whole lot. It's been hell "digging" with FF ;)
  • basye, on 05/21/2008, -13/+7It's about time!
  • twiztidsinz, on 05/21/2008, -17/+24"Turns out to be a JS Exploit in Opera (many were quick to blame Digg)"

    Fanboys excluding the object of their OGC'ing from blame??? NEVER!
    • justinx0r, on 05/21/2008, -1/+34Did you just use OGC as a verb? Nice.
      • crownedgriffin, on 05/21/2008, -5/+16Even if it was a problem with Opera, they should have tested it before going live. Opera may not have the user base of IE or FireFox, but it obviously has enough to matter.
        • maninalift, on 05/21/2008, -0/+8I wonder what the stats are for browser usage on Digg
        • MikeSD34, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6They said Opera was around 1% in the original post.
        • Laminarcissus, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6Don't feel too bad, I use Kidrocket (the Web Safe Kid Browser) on an OS/2 partition in a virtual machine on a TRS-80 Color Computer. They didn't test mine either.
        • frazw, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9In a way I do agree with that. From another perspective though, Opera did have an issue which probably wouldn't have been fixed otherwise. Seems like a win-win at the cost of a VERY temporary inconvenience.
    • nshady, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2If you read the article, you'd see that there was both a problem on Opera's end that allowed the system to crash, and a problem on Digg's end with javascript code that was exploiting said bug.
  • Okari, on 05/21/2008, -13/+9On FF once you start getting into threaded comments the text starts going vertical and it becomes impossible to read. I'm pretty sure it's not anything on my end.
    • Xanium4332, on 05/21/2008, -1/+9I am.
    • alpjor, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10Send us a Bug Report: http://digg.com/bugreport
      Or send a screenshot to : feedback@digg.com
    • nmnnotmyname, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3I'm using Firefox 3 Nightly, not seeing any threaded comment issues. (Probably fixed in the nightly if it exists in FF 2.) Can you elaborate?
    • Okari, on 05/21/2008, -5/+6Nevermind, it was a greasemonkey script that was for the old comments.
  • Llanowar, on 05/21/2008, -22/+88Even though it is Opera's fault. Digg still should have tested it in Opera right away instead of dismissing its users at first.
    • sockpuppets, on 05/21/2008, -27/+13Let me call you a waaaahmbulance.
    • danqueca, on 05/21/2008, -4/+47I agree with you, it was not tested on Opera at all.
    • vh1`, on 05/21/2008, -2/+3links in comments always open in new windows, no matter what the setting. doesn't seem like much testing was done at all
    • nmnnotmyname, on 05/21/2008, -7/+1Or they use beta versions to test. Which is a no-no, but I do it too sometimes.
    • joestump, on 05/21/2008, -18/+33The iPhone is the the 9th most used browser on Digg and we don't test our site on that either (except the iPhone version that is).

      Also, we didn't "dismiss" our users. As soon as it was brought to our attention we started working on a patch, QA'd it and pushed it. Took all of about 5 days to do this.
      • Ramble, on 05/21/2008, -10/+29It takes 10 seconds to test something, why not just test it?
      • whiteeagle131, on 05/21/2008, -6/+18I wish I could bury him twice.
        I agree with Ramble, why not bother spending 10 secs to just test something. Is it *that* much? After all Opera is a modern web browser.
      • frazw, on 05/21/2008, -4/+8I think you guys did the right thing. For a start Opera had a bug which wouldn't have come to light as quickly otherwise. The bugs were fixed at both ends, everyone gets an improved product. Workarounds are the mainstay of broken products like older versions of IE, we should be adhering to standards and letting products conform rather than the other way around. That after all is the purpose of programming standards.
      • BabyWookie, on 05/21/2008, -4/+11I know several small-time web devs and even they bother to test the obscure little sites that they make for somebody with at least IE, FF, Safari and Opera. Not doing that is just lazy and unprofessional.
      • toshibu, on 05/22/2008, -9/+6Hey fanboys, how about you thank them for uncovering a bug in your oh so beloved browser instead of bitching about the 5 days others got to enjoy the new Digg comment system without you. I see you're making good use of it now...
      • Llanowar, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1That's why I said "at first" ;)

        You've guys done great in working hard on fixing the problem as soon as it was brought to your attention. Props for that.
    • zongamin, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1Go away.
  • JupiterSSJ4, on 05/21/2008, -18/+11mozilla works just fine... no script, adblock plus and all
    • Okari, on 05/21/2008, -3/+1Which version?
      • MasterPain, on 05/21/2008, -2/+3all of them
      • JupiterSSJ4, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2i use the newest non beta 2.0.0.14, never had a problem with digg
    • TheSwashbuckler, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6Maybe for some, but I usually crash whenever I submit a comment.

      In fact, I'm expecting a crash a few seconds after I hit "Save Reply"...
  • alphamarquis, on 05/21/2008, -0/+8Woot go digg.
  • BTallack, on 05/21/2008, -18/+31I really didn't understand how it was ever Digg's fault in the first place that a web browser crashed. That doesn't even make sense. If my car's transmission dies I don't tend to find fault in the road I'm driving on.
    • merryworks, on 05/21/2008, -5/+16Not so much Digg's fault. Using your analogy, Opera (vehicle) gets you across the road (Internet) to your destination (Digg). Digg should have made sure that their destination is available to all.
      • BTallack, on 05/21/2008, -8/+24While I do agree that Digg should have done better testing, they can hardly be held responsible for a fault in the browser.
      • Niten, on 05/21/2008, -3/+4But that does lead into absurdity... should they also have tested Netscape 4, IE 4.0, lynx, and elinks? NCSE Mosaic? Aside from adhering to appropriate use of web standards, you can't make special concessions for every single browser in existence. You have to draw the line somewhere, and just expect anything you haven't accounted for to adhere to the spec well enough that your page displays intelligently.

        In this case Opera was following non-standard behavior; i.e., it segfaulted. That's not Digg's fault at all, and I think merryworks' analogy highlights that perfectly.
        • Hraes, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1Opera's, like, the 4th-most-used browser out there. It is not lynx.
    • michaelothomas, on 05/21/2008, -7/+25JavaScript is a scripting language. It should be completely incapable of crashing your browser. Obviously it would be in digg's best interest not to tickle any bugs that cause crashes. But the fault ultimately lies with the browser, not the webpage.
    • shyner, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5Welcome to the internet!
    • MillionsLivio, on 05/21/2008, -8/+11They should have tested it in Opera first, simple as that.
      • frazw, on 05/21/2008, -6/+4Opera should have conformed properly to standards, simple as that.
        • BabyWookie, on 05/21/2008, -2/+6That's a funny thing to say, considering that Opera has always been the most compliant browser out there. The issue was caused by an exploit. All browsers have those.
        • yacks, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2@BabyWookie
          and now it has been brought to the attention of Opera and fixed because of it.
  • DiggDugglas, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7FTW!
  • andyduncan, on 05/21/2008, -8/+30"many were quick to blame Digg"

    Yikes. A reproducible crasher in your browser's javascript parsing is in no way the fault of the site that stumbled across it. Let's hope Opera gets the patch pushed out quickly.
    • Ramble, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6It's already part of the nightlies (I downloaded it a few days ago) and I imagine it'll be pushed out soon - before the end of the week.
      Rather useless of the Opera coders to not get that.
    • danqueca, on 05/21/2008, -9/+13Actually, Digg have part of the fault, they didn't tested the comments system on Opera, if it was failing they should have report it before release
      • andyduncan, on 05/21/2008, -3/+8I can see your point, and I'm a web developer and huge proponent of cross-browser compatibility, but I never test in Opera. For one, Opera's rendering engine is good enough that there's rarely problems with it, and two: the market share barely even registers on our web metrics. It's below one half of one percent. We have more IE 5.0 users than that. Digg's metrics are certainly going to be different, maybe their share from Opera is higher, but calling Opera a niche product would be a drastic overstatement.
        • danqueca, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1And IDK why it double posted this...........
        • BabyWookie, on 05/21/2008, -2/+6For a site the size of digg, even 0.5% means thousands upon thousands of users. Considering that this story is currently on the front page, it's probably much more than that. All the decent small-time web devs I know test at least in IE, FF, Safari and Opera. It's the professional thing to do.
        • KayIslandDrunk, on 05/22/2008, -1/+2@ BabyWookie

          You think Digg has 2200000 users? That might be true, but seeing as I rarely meet a person that knows about Digg, I highly doubt it.
        • adidos, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1@KayIslandDrunk:
          http://www.jgc.org/blog/2008/01/how-many-users-doe ...
          estimated @ 2.7m users
    • Darkhacker, on 05/21/2008, -4/+4If you look back at the original dick story that complained of the issue, everyone who said otherwise was dugg into oblivion. I'm glad people are starting to realize the truth that it's Opera's fault.
  • BXRWXR, on 05/21/2008, -33/+8Good, now all of those whiny prat Opera users can quit their bitching.
    • publiclurker, on 05/21/2008, -11/+11both of them!
    • Ramble, on 05/21/2008, -2/+12Did one beat you up at school or something?
      • BXRWXR, on 05/21/2008, -9/+3No, I always beat them up.

        /Good times./
    • alski707, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1Careful, we're now capable of diggin you down once more :)
    • strypersarmy, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1good... good... i can feel your anger.
  • CaptShmo, on 05/21/2008, -4/+6works! thank you digg, my browsing habits are now back to normal (lords be praised)
  • revjustin2, on 05/21/2008, -13/+1I usually hate it when people post this, but in this case, I feel that what I am about to say is truly warranted:
    How did this get on the front page?
    • sparkrainfir, on 05/21/2008, -2/+1because the word "digg" was in the title.
  • sevvo, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8FWIW DIgg locks-up the Wii--I doubt the Wii-version of Opera will be patched however.
  • tushyd, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4Thanks! works great
  • aqzman, on 05/21/2008, -1/+21Ah, this is great news!

    Big thanks to both the Digg team and the Opera team!
    • Dested, on 05/21/2008, -9/+2For the record it was the opera teams fault...
      • yayintertubes, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Yeah you tell him! How dare he thank the wrong people.
      • BabyWookie, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2All browsers have exploits. Testing usually helps reveals them.
  • mal1964, on 05/21/2008, -19/+1Christine:
    In sleep he sang to me,
    In dreams he came...
    that voice which calls to me
    and speaks my name...

    And do I dream again?
    For now I find
    the Phantom of the Opera
    is there- inside my mind...

    Phantom:
    Sing once again with me
    our strange duet...
    My power over you
    grows stronger yet...

    And though you turn from me,
    to glance behind,
    the Phantom of the Opera
    is there- inside your mind...

    Christine:
    Those who have seen your face
    draw back in fear...
    I am the mask you wear...

    Phantom:
    It's me they hear...

    Both:
    Your/my spirit
    and your/my voice
    in one combined:
    the Phantom of the Opera
    is there- inside your/my mind...

    (Off stage) He's there,
    the Phantom on the Opera...
    Beware the Phantom of the Opera...

    (Phantom) In all your fantasies,
    you always knew
    that man and mystery...

    (Christine)...were both in you...

    (Both) And in this labyrinth
    where night is blind,
    the Phantom of the Opera
    is there/here
    inside your/my mind...

    (The Phantom says as christine's voice rises as the
    music gets more intense)
    Sing,my Angel of Music!

    He's there
    the Phantom of the Opera
  • Cowboy1015, on 05/21/2008, -9/+1great freaking news!!! in other news???
  • duckyinc, on 05/21/2008, -6/+16That just shows how well designed digg is.
  • xhazerdusx, on 05/21/2008, -25/+4People use Opera?
    • zxcasd, on 05/21/2008, -3/+17yes...... cause its fast.... can't wait for opera 9.5 release
    • shyner, on 05/21/2008, -2/+8Those of us who want a faster browser, yes.
    • scy1192, on 05/21/2008, -2/+2apparantly...
    • antoniuk, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1No, people don't use opera. I have no idea what to call the things that use Opera. Intelligent certainly not.
  • nubtard, on 05/21/2008, -2/+22Great. Now can you please fix the bug that logs you out all the time? Thanks.
    • Rocco03, on 05/21/2008, -3/+7Never happened to me.
    • yayintertubes, on 05/21/2008, -2/+29and the bug that stops me getting on the front page even though every one of my stories are awesome.
    • nubtard, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Well it sure as ***** isn't me. I've used digg.com at work and home, on both linux and windows on three different browsers. Plus there were many people bitching and moaning about it a year ago.
  • cl2yp71c, on 05/21/2008, -14/+3Comment
    Comment
    Comment


    /abuse_of_power
  • Blibman, on 05/21/2008, -3/+8Wow, so this is how the new comments system looks like
  • TheMachine1, on 05/21/2008, -10/+28Great now the dust will collect on my firefox icon again.
    • nmnnotmyname, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Unless your into webdesign. I'll kill you if it works on IE but not Firefox :P I make my sites work on Opera, It's only fair...
      • skeletorcares, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1I find it easiest to start with opera, then work my way back actually. Opera, then IE tweaks (only because its the most popular,since it ships with the most comptuers), then Firefox test (almost always right after those two are). Then Safari likes to mess up again, but I make the people at work test that, its a shame enough i have to have quicktime installed. No way I'm going to sully my computer with Safari.

        Safari comes with Apples, but only about half of them use it. The other half go straight to firefox. And since Safari is only 2.2% of people on the interwebs. ***** um. Get a real browser, i say. I'd like to be able to say the same for IE, but just too many damn people use it.
    • Niten, on 05/21/2008, -2/+5You might want to have your computer checked out. I'm no expert, but I don't think it's supposed to work that way :-/
  • shyner, on 05/21/2008, -3/+12I had closed my Opera browser to open Digg in Firefox, only to see that the Opera issue was fixed.

    Thanks Digg!
  • BabyWookie, on 05/21/2008, -4/+16Awesome! The irony is, the new comment system feels a lot more responsive in Opera 9.5b2 than it does in Firexfox 3RC1, once again demonstrating the superiority of Opera's js handling. I actually like the new comment system now. It seemed kinda clunky and buggy when I was forced to use FF.
    • Ramble, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10I'm hearing you on FM. It is so much better and faster on Opera than Firefox.
    • MillionsLivio, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11I was using Firefox due to the crashes, it did seem rather sluggish, and it's a lot more smooth in Opera now.
  • zonovo, on 05/21/2008, -8/+16So, its Opera's fault?!
    • Eisim, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10Maybe you can try to click that nice little link to the forum-thread where this is explained??
      http://tinyurl.com/5wbdrw

      Opera fixed the exploit that allowed the system to crash.
      Digg fixed the JS code that was exploiting the bug in Opera.
    • Zounas, on 05/21/2008, -1/+0Developers, developers, developers.
  • Irfit, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Finally i can check the comments.
    Thanks guys.
  • headzoo, on 05/21/2008, -4/+7The comment system is still very buggy, and frustrating to use. I don't know why the didn't roll back the changes as soon as they were aware of the problems. Then they could work on fixing the new system, without the users having to pull their hair out trying to write and read comments.
  • JollyR, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Nice! I thought I was going insane when opera kept crashing...
  • skase, on 05/21/2008, -12/+5too late. I've been now and Opera user for 5 years and that was the last straw. I don't care whos fault it is. It's a great browser and the things I liked most was its stability, responsiveness of the tabs and all the other obvious features. I won't unistall Opera but Firefox 3 has that responsiveness now and I don't have switch browser windows when viewing stupid sites that don't like Opera.
    • MillionsLivio, on 05/21/2008, -2/+12So you've used Opera for five years and now you are deciding to switch? If you really did use Opera for five years, it used to be much worse back in the day, the compatibility with websites for Opera is the highest it's ever been. Honestly, I used to use Firefox before Opera 9.0 came out, and I've been using Firefox 3 while Digg had the crashing issues, it just didn't feel complete. I've never had Opera crash on me before this issue with Digg, thus it's really Digg's fault not simply testing out a huge update to their website with one of the major browsers.
      • skase, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1Yes I really have used it for 5 years. I have the perfect setup for me. I've struggled with recent Gmail crashes, Media players not working, and digg comments and had my handy "Open in IE" button for years.

        Even though the compatibility is at its highest, it's not like the firefox engine that is closer to IE (which is the highest market*. The Digg crash simply gave me a reason to test the new Firefox which now has a interface as responsive as Opera.

        The little things as simple as the intelligent back/forward remembers forms will be missed. I am simply stating I'm not Opera loyal anymore. I will try it again V10.


        *Totally unresearched opinion. Based on firefox being more like IE, rather then Opera. NOT saying the Opera engine is worst, rather more unaccepted.
    • Ramble, on 05/21/2008, -2/+9You'll miss it you know, opera has all those little features and niggles you want but don't notice, Firefox doesn't have them.
      • barktwiggs, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4Well, Firefox doesn't have them out of the box. Though it is a hassle to setup all the plugins on a fresh new install plus all the memory usage which goes up with each plugin.
        • triblinator, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3In Opera, if there is a website I like I can drag the tab that it's opened in to anywhere on any toolbar. Opera will create a bookmark to that site with a little icon. I tried switching to Firefox because it handles streaming video better on my eee pc, but the fact that I couldn't do that made me switch back. If there is an extension that allows me to create bookmark shortcuts on any toolbar, I will use Firefox and never look back. (That is, until I find something else that I took for granted in Opera and won't browse without)
        • skase, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1Yeh the interface is unbeatable in customisation but I'm sick of the crashes. I had my bookmarks neatly placed on the rightside on the tab bar. They have recently disabled that (why!).

          Also tabs are so much better, clear to read and can fit on the bar no matter how many and they remember your order.

          Still, I'm not gonna pull my hair out anymore, Firefox won me over this round.
        • sn0wball78, on 05/22/2008, -0/+0Hold down the shift key, and you can drag stuff to the toolbar again. Opera changed this because noobs kept cluttering the interface and didn't understand what was happening.
      • Karmavs, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Those of us not drinking your particular kool-aid call that 'bloat'
        • barktwiggs, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Define bloat. Keep in mind, Opera install package is smaller and when you have equivalent functionality with addons, Firefox memory usage is higher than Opera's.
    • skase, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Well, I'm back to Opera.. Nothing beats it. I gave Firefox 3 a fair go and it just wasn't the gold i was used to. Don't say i told you so heh
  • scy1192, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5good thing it was also patched on Digg's end; it should now work on Wii. Confirm?
  • philforhumanity, on 05/21/2008, -3/+7thank you Digg developers!
  • Rocco03, on 05/21/2008, -13/+14Finally. I prefer Opera to FF.
    IE? What's that?
  • omnirusa, on 05/21/2008, -2/+2Oh my, Yay!! I can get rid of the button I had that opens a page in firefox.
    I had to load the page, click that fast, then close the page before it crashed me haha
  • jjustin01, on 05/21/2008, -1/+13Welcome to the world of cross-browser compatibility

    Even if Opera is partially to blame, you should still verify your work.
    • Laminarcissus, on 05/21/2008, -3/+2Opera wasn't their work. It wasn't on the design spec, yet when they were informed of the problems the jumped on fixing them right away. That's classier than a bunch of armchair quarterbacks saying how *they'd* go about running a $40 million site.

      There's a lot to be respected about Opera, but anyone who runs a site can tell you that its market share doesn't rise above a basement hobby project. Same is true on Digg.
      • BabyWookie, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4If there were not thousands of thousands of Opera users on Digg, this story would not be on the FP right now. Not testing their ***** in Opera is simply unprofessional. Most small-time devs I know test in Opera. Why shouldn't Digg?
        • Laminarcissus, on 05/22/2008, -4/+3That's because they're small-time. When you're big-time you have to prioritize in the face of projects whose complexity grows (literally) exponentially for each new variable that's introduced.

          Each change to accommodate one browser has to be stress-tested against every potential state of the site -- logged in and out, various levels of comment visibility, banned users, shouts, special characters, etc.

          Joe-Bob can test Opera on his hunting forums because there are five basic templates and he's got all weekend. Digg's an entirely different story, and Opera comprises less than 1 percent of the sessions. There's no way it could have made the cut.
    • Karmavs, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1partially?
  • JasonCox, on 05/21/2008, -2/+2Digg doesnt crash IE or Firefox anymore either. Hooray for the new Comments system!
    • JupiterSSJ4, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1it didnt crash on either for me, using the FF 2.0.0.14 (latest stable release) and IE 7
    • StandardsDT, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1It may not necessarily crash but it sure has hell hangs up a good 20 seconds or more while loading the page.
  • jimminykriket, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3The new fix crashes opera when you mask as IE. Masking as IE solved the issue with digg where you had to hit back multiple times.
    • alpjor, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4This is expected. We needed to add some Opera specific code to get around the bug. If you mask as IE you still run into the issue. Please don't mask anymore anyway, we need to get good browser stats so we can dedicate the required time to the most popular browsers. If you mask as IE, you're just hurting yourself in the long run.
      • InvisibleMan, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5Well that might explain why the people at digg didn't think Opera had a huge following if they all (or at least most of them) masked as IE to solve the 'back issue'. I guess the lesson here is to submit bug reports not just us an IE mask.
      • Laminarcissus, on 05/21/2008, -4/+2WAIT, YOU'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY CASTING ASIDE PEOPLE WHO RUN OPERA BUT MASK AS IE!!!???

        THAT'S THE LAST STRAW. I'M LEAVING AND USING REDDIT OR TWITTER OR FOODTV.COM, SOMEPLACE WHERE THEY APPRECIATE THEIR USER BASE!!!
  • twishart, on 05/21/2008, -6/+8I'm in ur digg, posting my comments.


    I was pretty close to downloading firefox - nice work Opera/Digg teams.
    • dawnraid101, on 05/22/2008, -3/+1HAHAHAHAHA ***** hell your original / soooooo funny, I wish I could be just like you.
    • Karmavs, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Probably best to download it anyway.
  • rock774, on 05/21/2008, -11/+3Firefox worked just fine and IE worked fine !
    So is this how Opera fixes bugs "get the websites to make it work with our browser "?
    • dArt8, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6It worked because it was tested and designed to work on IE and FF.
      Opera was not tested.
      • thegreatanti, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1When there is a browsercrash it's ALWAYS the fault of the browser, not the site. A site should never be able to crash a site. If so: it's bug. Nothing more, nothing less.
        • BabyWookie, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1All browsers have various "exploits". They are just hard to discover if you don't bother to test.
    • BabyWookie, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Actually, the latest nightly build of Opera had this exploit taken care off yesterday.
  • cricket01, on 05/21/2008, -0/+13Sweet! I actually found myself doing my work for a while there - thank god that's over with!
  • djAnakin, on 05/21/2008, -1/+7Yay! It works now!

    I can't install Firefox here at work, and I hate IE. Only choice if Opera, which I have on a thumbdrive.
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